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Julia17
#1 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:24:45 AM Quote
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Hi all,

I felt I had to post about my experience today, it was my first visit to the physiotherapist at the hospital.

For the past two and a half years I have been seeing my consultant, working on finding the right medication to get the RA under control and into remission. At my last appointment I was due to see the Nurse, but advised that she had now left and I would see the sort of locom doctor. I told him that the Cimzia I have been on for about three and half months was beginning to work but still having problems as ever with painful shoulders, arms and wrists. For the first time, he offered me physiotherapy which I thought was a good idea. Well I went along today and was told that I had lost all my shoulders muscles ! I was really surprised as I have tried to carry on doing things even with the pain but obviously the RA has done its own thing. I have lots of exercises to do daily and going back in three weeks to see if there is improvement.

Perhaps others might enlighten me, but I think I should have been offered this right at the beginning just to try and control the muscles wastage, as my shoulders are still painful when I do anything and I have no strength in them at all. This new doctor was so thorough and helpful I hope he is taken on permanently, fingers crossed.

I hope my story may be of help to others in a similar position.

Julia x
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#2 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:39:58 AM Quote
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oooo sounds good Julia , except for the loss of the Nurse (temporary i hope )
which Hospital is that Julia ?I know i have muscle wastage on legs and arms and have never seen or been offered a Physio appt ..or an Occ Health one , etc etc etc.

Rich :)
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#3 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:46:13 AM Quote
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Hi Rich

Its Darent Valley, while I was waiting to be seen in the clinic, another nurse told me the RA nurse had left and someone else was doing her clinic, I wasn t very happy as I actually thought I was seeing Dr Elmeidany to tell him how I was getting on with the CImzia which I had recently started on. When I went in I saw a Dr. Kitko, who I had briefly seen in the infusion clinic some months earlier and thought he was pretty on the ball then. I was so impressed with him that I put a posting on the hospital web site singing his praises ! ThumpUp Like you Rich I have never been offered anything at all by the hospital before, which really is just not good enough to say the least.

Julia x
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#4 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:00:24 AM Quote
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Hi Julia,

It's probably in the "guidelines" that we should be referred early for physio but how many of us actually get this?
In the 10 years I have had RA I have had 3 referrals for physio and each time I have been treated for the joint I was referred for, and that's it. It baffles me that ,when we have RA, they treat the joint that is currently causing problems and not the body as a whole.
Surely it would be better to teach us exercises to prevent muscle wastage than to deal with it when it happens? In an ideal world I suppose!
Hope the exercises work for you.

Love Doreen xx
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#5 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:15:58 AM Quote
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Hi Julia

I'm sorry you haven't been referred to physio long before now, but so pleased the new doctor was thorough.

Rheumatology is now supposed to comprise a multi-discipline team, but I fear it isn't always so. Sadly, many people have to ask for a physio appointment, which is all wrong as it should be offered as a matter of course. I was offered physio at the beginning of my illness and it helped me to get through my replacement ops without too much trouble.

It's important for you to do the exercises as often as prescribed and things WILL get better.

Take care, Julia,

Much love
Jeanxxxxx
Julia17
#6 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:49:54 PM Quote
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Thank you Doreen and Jean for your kind thoughts, I certainly will really persevere with these exercises. It was purely because I saw this new doctor that this is now happening, really not good at all. I thought ( how stupid of me LOL ) that I pretty much knew everything there was to know about RA as I have dabbled so much on the internet etc. and I was so ignorant of something so fundamental that is extremely important to improving our quality of life.

Love and best wishes Julia xx
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#7 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:03:13 PM Quote
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oooo same Hospital as me then Julia .. i thought it might be.. i am under Jilani ..so to speak (hehe) .. didn't know the nurse had left though :O
Not due to go back for another 3 months :(.. was on the verge of changing hospitals when a strong complaint got attitudes changed ... we will see ..:)
and where are all these Hospitals that have a multi disciplinary team as "advertised" ?

Hope all of it goes well :)

Rich X
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#8 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:38:08 PM Quote
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Thanks Rich, well I feel that if Dr Kitko does stay permanently then I will be a happy bunny Smile

Its a terrible shame that you had to take such action to get some decent level of care not just for yourself but others in a simiiar position. I have no knowledge of Dr Jilani, perhaps that is a good thing from what have had to endure in days gone by. I hope that Dr Kitko remains in place, from my experience his level of care is far superior to that of a nurse, which is perhaps obvious really, and we desperately need more doctors in rheumatology at the hospital anyway.

Julia x
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#9 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:01:04 PM Quote
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Hi all

I agree about physio - I think it should be offered on diagnosis - to help us keep as much movement and muscle as we can while suffering the effects of the RA. I had to ask for it - and when I got to see the physio he said 'you have too many joints affected for me to treat' and that was that(apart from a couple of hand out sheets with excercises!) I have kept swimming when I have been able.
Although my rheumy dept are quite good, I have had to ask for some things rather than them being offered automatically. Again - I suppose it's all down to funding and there's only so much in the pot!
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#10 Posted : Sunday, December 18, 2011 12:14:53 PM Quote
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Hi Julia

I was given physio when my shoulders were bad and although it took a while I persevered with them and they have made a tremendous difference. The physio said that mine was 'impingement'. That might be different to muscle wastage, I don't know but I would say 'don't stop them, unless it is too painful and I am sure you will feel much improvement. Good luck with the exercises.

Sheila x
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#11 Posted : Sunday, December 18, 2011 12:33:17 PM Quote
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Thanks Sheila, it is painful to do these exercises but its painful doing most things so I really have nothing to lose and I m sure with time my shoulders will improve. I go back to the physio in three weeks so I hope she can see a difference in my shoulders.

Love Julia x
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#12 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2011 10:50:15 AM Quote
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Hi Julia

I am glad you are now getting the physio treatment you need. I agree with all the comments on here that in an ideal world we should be referred to physio on diagnosis but it looks to me if this is the exception rather than the norm. I managed to get a phyisio referral 1.5 years after diagnosis and this was only because I asked my GP to do it for me as I noticed my arm had become wonky. So far I have been lucky with my physio. She does say there is not a lot she can do about the arm other than help me to maintain the movement and strength I still have but she is working with me to put together an "all body programme" to ensure my other joints don't suffer the same damage. She is even thinking of referring me to a gym on the NHS.

It is frustrating because like you I thought it was a case that if I take the medication then the disease would slow down and no more joint damage would occur. Yes I was naive and I have learned the hard way that there is other things we should be doing to help ourselves. I think the doctors should try and not just focus on managing the disease with meds but should work as part of a multi-discipline team to minimise ra damage.

Good luck with your treatment.

Agnes
Julia17
#13 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2011 7:41:14 PM Quote
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Hi Agnes

Thank you for posting, and for your best wishes. It really is quite amazing that for those of us on anti-tnf and similar drugs, which costs a huge amount of money that they let you down with the physiotherapy side which really just doesn t make any sense really. During my examination I asked for exercises for my knees as they are very stiff and can t bend them much, she explained that this was not on the referral from the consultant, so now I will contact him so hopefully he can add this area for my next visit. I hope you get the referral to the gym Smile

Take care, Julia x
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:38:57 PM Quote
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hi julia, i must say i have been really lucky as i was sent to physio first off and an o/t who i can phone anytime if i feel i need to see her or just for advice,i also have an amaazing doctor/nurse at rhummy they are on the ball,good luck now you are on the way,take care dorothy,
i go to james paget hospital in norfolk
Julia17
#15 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:12:34 PM Quote
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Hi Dorothy

Thank you for your message, wonderful to hear that you receive such good treatment BigGrin just how it should be !

Best wishes Julia x

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#16 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:49:36 PM Quote
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Interesting isnt it to hear about the HUGE variation of services

Nothing really here actually- hydro is good but limited to 10 sessions a year. that is split between OT/ Physio and hydro.

so have had my quota already.

TBH I havent found many physios very helpful- only one or 2 with a special interest, the rest just dont get it and want you speedily better.

I now feel a bit mean saying that but its just not an area I have found is well understood and supported locally

Jenni xx
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Julia17
#17 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2011 7:57:37 PM Quote
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Hi Jenni

I think you are absolutely right, when I first sat with her she seemed very dismissive about my RA and to be honest I wasn t very impressed by her approach and almost wondered why I was there. When she saw me trying to take my dress off ( wouldn t have worn it if I realised it had to come off - should have plugged my brain in ! ) and saw the pain on my face she took a lot more interest, the things you have to do LOL

Love Julia x
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#18 Posted : Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:48:56 AM Quote
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Hi Julia

Good to hear that you have finally received much needed physio and can now use the exercises to improve muscle tone etc. As others have said the 'guidelines' suggest that newly diagnosed are seen as part of a multi disciplinary team (physio, Occupational therapist and podiatry) soon after diagnosis. Financial constraints of individual health authorities often make this impossible.

As ever the need to raise awareness of RA and its long term implications needs to be pushed forward both at local and national level because clearly patients are not receiving services which may prove beneficial in their overall treatment plan. We have a physio who has a special interest in rheumatology but I think they are probably very few and far between. Needless to say her time is limited and getting a referral isn't easy!

Keep up with the exercises Julia, it takes time to rebuild 'lost' muscle but it does happen!

Lyn x
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#19 Posted : Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:18:16 AM Quote
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Hi Lyn

Thank you for you thoughts, although difficult I will continue with the exercise. I hope my post has highlighted to others the great importance of physio when being diagnosed, and funnily enough although my hospital is struggling financially due to PFI 's there were a whole army of physio's in the department and my appointment was speedily arranged - it makes no sense to me LOL

With love and best wishes Julia xx
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Hi Lyn

I have just been given physio but had to ask for it! sessions should start in the new year, hears hoping it helps!

Steph
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